5 Lessons in Outfitting a New Boat

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I’ve mentioned before, in a post called The 80% Rule, that buying a new boat is not at all like buying a new car, unless you expect your new car to be delivered with a missing stereo, a broken speedometer and a bumper that falls off as you pull out of the dealership.

The problem is there are so many parties involved in creating the finished product that is your brand-new boat that the quality varies between different components of your vessel, depending on the responsibility assumed by the manufacturer (in our case, Fountaine-Pajot), the broker, the post-factory outfitter and the various companies who provide warranties for the products you’ve selected.

And though you may think that all these parties are working together towards the common goal of providing you with a fully working boat outfitted with all the gadgets and gizmos your heart desires and your wallet can afford, the truth is there are differences in how each of these parties approaches that goal while also catering to their bottom line.

This list of lessons learned comes directly from our experience working with Fountaine-Pajot, our broker, our post-factory outfitter and the various companies who sold us products that we researched and chose for our Helia.

Of course, every new boat owner will have a different tale to tell about their buying experience. So keep in mind that the advice listed here is nowhere near comprehensive and should be taken as a pinch of salt in a mixed stew of experiences. Nevertheless, these are the true stories behind the lessons we’ve learned.

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This is a Helia in the process of being built

Lesson #1: If it can be installed by the factory, get it installed by the factory.

I can’t speak for all yacht manufacturers, but my hunch is that this rule applies to most, if not all boat brands. In our experience, Fountaine-Pajot ranks at the top of the accountability list for any and all products they install. After all, it is their name branded on the side of the boat; not the broker’s name or the outfitter installing your various gadgets.

And let me be the first to say that the overall quality of the work done by Fountaine-Pajot was top-notch. And, more importantly, when things went wrong (as they always do with a boat, whether it’s old or new), FP took care of the repairs, replacements and labor immediately, no matter where we were in the world. For example, we had an issue with a terrible creaking sound in the hull, which seemed to be coming from our port stern when underway. FP identified it as a problem they had seen where the window wasn’t bedded properly in the fiberglass, causing friction, so they immediately over-nighted a new window to Menorca and paid for it to be replaced and reinstalled properly. The service was prompt, thorough and we never touched the bill.

One thing we’ve learned is for big installations like the generator, water-maker and air-conditioners, there is so much crucial wiring involved that it is best to have these items installed by the factory while the hull is in the process of being built, not after the boat is a finished product.

Luckily for us, our generator, water-maker and air-conditioners were installed by Fountaine-Pajot. But the list of installations that ended up being commissioned by our post-factory outfitter was not discussed with us, and if we’d known then what we know now, we would have specified what the factory should install; in short, everything that the factory was offering to install. And we would have done our own research into who should install the items not installed by the factory.

Take the ice-maker, for example. As we ordered our boat from FP, through an FP dealer, it never occurred to us that it wouldn’t be installed by FP. But the job of installing our ice-maker was given to our post-factory outfitter. Which meant that when the ice-maker was delivered broken, installed broken and never worked, there was a lot of shrugging, scratching of heads and not responding to emails requesting a new ice-maker.

We thought about selling the ice-maker for scrap metal or turning it into a spare anchor, but really all we wanted was for our outfitter to take responsibility for a broken item they installed. But, as the post-factory outfitters are at the bottom of the list of parties that maintain accountability for their products, we still don’t have a working ice-maker.

 

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No amount of glaring at this ice-maker is going to bring it to life

If FP had installed an ice-maker that didn’t work, they would have immediately shipped us a new machine and paid for the installation. It would have been a no-hassle request and, most likely, we would have had a working ice-maker within a month.

In the end, after eight months of battling with the outfitters to take responsibility for a faulty product they installed, we eventually gave up and took a refund from our broker for the ice-maker. But I’d trade that cash in any day for a working ice-maker and all the lost hours spent sending emails that resulted in no change in the state of our ice-maker.

And whilst I have no doubt that the first G&Ts we pour over ice from our future working ice-maker will taste all the better for having to wait; lets face it, eight months is a pretty long time to be drinking warm gin.

 

Lesson #2: Buy specialty products from an authorized dealer (or direct from the manufacturer).

Being the fast-walking, coffee-guzzling, appointment-juggling, I’ll-pay-more-if-it-saves-me-time kind of New Yorker that I am, I appreciate a one-stop-shop opportunity when I see one.

By the time we got to La Rochelle, France last summer, I had a growing list of overwhelming jobs on my plate, in addition to the fact that we’d taken on the colossal task of launching, outfitting and stocking Cheeky Monkey for her round-the-world voyage in just over a month. So when the outfitter our broker hired offered to order everything we’d scribbled on our growing list of necessities, we snapped up the chance to hand over the logistical burden.

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Schlepping and organizing is not my idea of fun

And maybe it’s possible that, somewhere out there, at the end of a rainbow, there is a pot of gold and a perfect outfitter who can act as your one-stop shop for every piece of boat equipment you need. In my dreams, this outfitter would save me all the miles spent driving around looking for dealers and the endless phone calls to customs offices to track down packages. In my dreams, everything would be magically delivered to my boat with valid warranties and legit registration papers.

As you might have guessed from the direction this thread is taking, however, that didn’t happen.

And this is where I bring up the sore subject of our autopilot.

(Note: If you ever run into me at the bar and want to see my blood pressure go from zero to sixty in under a second, just mention either the autopilot or the ice-maker. Or, better yet, just buy me a drink and don’t ask about the autopilot.)

I mean, how could we be on a new boat and not have a working autopilot, you ask?

That’s a very good question with a two-part answer:

We are somewhat to blame for our stubborn choice of brand because we decided to go for Garmin based purely on the hell we went through with a Raymarine autopilot on Hideaway, our old boat.

But in hindsight, that is kind of like deciding you could never date another Brit because your last British boyfriend cheated on you. Maybe it wasn’t British men? Maybe it was just that one autopilot?

You get what I mean…and what I mean is, all my research says Raymarine has one of the best cruising autopilots on the market right now, and we ignored all that info because of a bad experience we once had with Raymarine. It was like we’d torched all our ex’s photos and told our friends never to utter the name “Raymarine” in our presence.

But, the fact is, we chose a brand for a reason – albeit a bad one – and we had every right as owners to install whatever brand autopilot we wanted. It’s just unfortunate that we went with Garmin because the outfitter our broker hired to install our Garmin turned out NOT to be an authorized Garmin dealer. In other words, there was an authorized Garmin dealer in La Rochelle, but that wasn’t the company our broker hired – in short, he hired the same outfitter who burned us on the ice-maker. And I’m sure you can imagine how that story ended.

So take this as a cautionary tale and know what happens in this situation: if your broker hires a non-authorized dealer to install your electronics, then any warranty for the installation of that product is null and void. And if your broker fails to take responsibility for that mistake while your outfitter completely and utterly screws up the installation to the point where your autopilot will do nothing but drive like your drunken British ex towards a crash jibe (which is what happens when the wiring is all wrong and the compass is installed on top of the engine), then you are not only left with a mixed metaphor, but you’re stuck with a broken electronic system you paid tens of thousands of dollars for and a bill for repairs which the manufacturer will not cover. How’s that for an expensive lesson?

Which provides a nice segue to the next lesson about the marine industry in general…

 

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It’s so stressful telling this story that I am taking this moment to highlight a major success: buying this bean bag chair

Lesson #3: Expect to spend a lot of time babysitting marine workers…unless you’re okay with random holes being drilled all over your boat.

Remember how I said buying a new boat is nothing like buying a new car? Well, imagine if you brought your brand-new Mercedes into the shop because you wanted to upgrade your stereo to a state-of-the-art Bose system for the sole purpose of rocking out to high-quality tunes on your morning commute to work.

And imagine you assumed – as you do – that the shop guys have read the installation instructions and know where a car stereo goes. But when you show up a week later to pick up your new car, excited to blast the new speakers in your kick-ass stereo, you find the stereo isn’t on the center console, where you expected it to be. Instead, there is a hole in the glove box where the mechanics have randomly shoved the stereo and glued it down with silicone. And you’re standing there with your head in your hands saying, “Why in the hell did you cut a hole in my glove box?!”

Meanwhile, the mechanics are shrugging their shoulders saying, “Well, you never said we couldn’t put the stereo in the glove box. I mean, if you want us to move it, we can…we’ll just tape over the hole and put some vinyl spray on it…no biggie. Or you can pay for a new glove box.”

Which is when your head starts fermenting like an overripe tomato from the blood pressure building up in your neck, and your broker calls an ambulance because he thinks either you’re having a heart attack or, judging from the crazed look in your eye, he might be the one who ends up in the hospital.

This is pretty much what happened to us every day for a month on our brand-new boat in La Rochelle. We would wake up in the morning with our blood pressure really low, thinking “Today, we will manage things better and we will preempt the stupid places people might cut holes in our hull.”

And every day, we discovered new ways to define “stupid.”

Because here’s the thing — we were physically on our boat, available for consultation every single day, and any time we turned our backs, we’d discover another hole being drilled where it didn’t belong, in a completely different spot from where an installation was meant to happen. If I had a dollar for every time I heard Ryan scream over the din of power tools, “What are you doing? That doesn’t go there!” we might have enough money to pay for a new autopilot.

And while you have very little ability to influence the work force at a boat factory like Fountaine-Pajot, you should be able to control any post-factory work that is being done on your boat once it’s left the factory. I know, I know, you have better things to do than to babysit – and these guys are paid professionals, right? So you should just be able to leave the boat and go run all the errands that are piling up on your plate and let them handle the jobs you’ve given them, right?

Wrong. You hope that the guys working on your boat are 100% professional and none of them are high school kids who just learned how to wire an autopilot by watching a YouTube video, ignoring all the instructions that essentially say “DON’T INSTALL THE COMPASS NEAR A BIG HUNK OF METAL…AND, YES, THE ENGINE IS A BIG HUNK OF METAL”  But our experience tells us that you can’t leave your boat when work is going on. And you can’t trust that the workers on your boat know what they’re doing 100% because you don’t know who is the expert and who’s on their first-ever boat job until you’ve spent some time watching them work.

Which leads me to the next lesson we learned long ago from being burned by the marine industry in different parts of the world…

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When Ryan was told the autopilot was working – such false hope in this photo

Lesson #4: Never pay for everything up front and always withhold your last installment until the job is done and you have what you paid for in hand.

We live in a world where we want to trust everyone to do the right thing. But the truth is, life gets in the way, other jobs come up, personal problems arise or, in the worst-case scenario, you’re dealing with an unscrupulous person or company. And when that happens, the only tool you have for negotiating with someone who is failing to finish the work you hired them to do, is money.

When we sailed out of La Rochelle in August 2015, we still owed the outfitter one final payment of $4,000, pending two items that still needed to be resolved – our broken ice-maker and the missing registration papers for our new AB dinghy and Yamaha outboard.

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We were like kids at Christmas when our new dinghy arrived

After weeks of pestering the outfitter for the official registration papers, he eventually responded that he didn’t have them and said, briefly, “You don’t need them.”

Which, of course, is ridiculous. What does he mean, we don’t need proof of ownership for a brand-new dinghy and motor we’ll be driving through harbors all over the world? If we ever bring our boat to the U.S., we will be required to register Bananas, our dinghy, with the DMV. And we can’t do this without official registration papers.

A back and forth ensued with the outfitter for months over this issue, frustrating us to no end, so that by the time we got to Menorca, we decided to visit the Yamaha dealer in Mahon to ask what paperwork they provide to customers when they buy a new dinghy or outboard. The Yamaha dealer graciously showed us the official registration papers, so we sent copies to the outfitter, demanding we get the same for our dinghy and outboard.

This is where the story takes a strange turn. After weeks of saying he didn’t have our registration papers, eventually we received email attachments of scanned documents that looked similar to the registration copies we’d sent them as an example. So we said, “Great! Send us the originals.”

To which the outfitter refused. He would only offer us his newly “found” scans, but not the originals, even though we were clear that we wouldn’t be able to register the dinghy with a scan of the document and that we now had serious concerns about how these “copies” suddenly materialized.

So again, Ryan wrote back insisting we get the correct, original paperwork. To which the outfitter replied he would do nothing more until we paid him the last $4,000 we owed for outstanding work.

As far as we could work out, the fact that the reason kept changing for why these registration papers couldn’t be produced could only mean one of two things:

1) Our outfitter accidentally scribbled his Swiss bank account numbers on the back of our registration papers, and so he worried if he handed over our papers, we’d steal his entire fortune.

Or…

2) The real registration papers never existed.

As per Lesson #2, if we’d gone to an AB or Yamaha dealer for our outboard and dinghy, we would have found ourselves in this situation.

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Seriously, this is our dream dinghy – 25 HP!

In the end, the $4,000 we withheld was the only reason, after eight months, that we got our registration papers in hand. But even the $4,000 wasn’t motivation enough for the outfitter to do the right thing on his own. It took our broker’s involvement to track down the paperwork from AB and Yamaha and, once that was done, we transferred the money we owed. But not a second sooner.

What we didn’t get to withhold, however, was compensation for the lost hours spent badgering our broker and outfitter for eight months to deal with this unreasonable problem.

We also weren’t compensated for the stress of spending our life’s savings on a boat only to get an email like this from our outfitter:

“As you know I am a fighter, I promises you that I shall release nothing…I guess that you didn’t know that I work since many years with the D.O.D. (Division des Operations Douanières). They are very efficient all around the world, so don’t be surprise if, one day, you will have your boat under seizure by the local Customs.”

Yep. That’s the stuff of regrets. When you spend your hard-earned money on a dream and you find yourself being threatened.

 

Lesson #5: Reach out to other boat owners and get reviews on the outfitters who will be doing your post-factory work.

Ryan talked to a number of Helia owners (a big thank-you to Amy and David of Out Chasing Stars) to gain insight into the process of buying a new boat and working with a broker. It helped immensely in areas we knew to look out for, but obviously it didn’t prevent us from making all the mistakes I’ve named in the previous lessons. But the more insight, the better — it will give you a leg up in negotiating with your broker and avoiding some of the mistakes we’ve made in the process of buying our boat.

The truth is we love our boat and wouldn’t trade it for any other boat on the market. But the strife we went through to get the boat we love could have been avoided.

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We may not need an ice-maker, but what I definitely don’t need is this hole

With the myriad forums available on Facebook, Reddit and boating-specific sites like CruisersForum.com, all it takes is one question posted online during your coffee break and a twenty-minute pause before dozens of messages will pour in, answering your questions about the quality of marine work in ports all over the world. And with the overflowing number of sailing blogs on the internet, you’re bound to find a blogger sailing on just the boat you want to buy.

Most likely, your broker won’t be forthcoming about bad customer reviews of your outfitter because he doesn’t want you to have any doubts about buying your new boat from him/her. But you can do your research and contact customers directly for their stories before you make your decision about who should do the work you need on your boat. At the end of the day, it is your hard-earned money, your time and your dream that’s on the line.

We’ve learned the hard way that the realization of a dream can be smooth or torturous, depending on who you work with.

I feel like there’s a public service announcement in all this: Don’t be a Cheeky Monkey. Have your ice and registration papers, too.

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Update from Tasha

Hey everyone!

I should add to this post that if you’re thinking of buying a Fountaine-Pajot catamaran, you should reach out to me at tasha (at) turftosurf.com — I am always happy to answer questions about our buying experience. We are incredibly happy boat owners, even after all the teething problems we’ve had with the post-factory work and we’re very open to helping people have a better buying experience than we had.

You may have seen an earlier version of this post — sorry about that! I had to pull the post for some edits, which took some time as I didn’t want to say anything inaccurate. So I apologize if you’re reading this again.

I also want to say thank-you for reading and returning to this blog time and again to wonder when in the hell I’m planning to get my blog updated to current – soon! I’ve been working hard in my sunny office here in Panama, tapping away on my computer in an effort to get you more stories.

Though, I have to admit I’ve gotten a little side-tracked lately by telling stories on video.

So, if you haven’t seen all 22 of our video stories so far, join the 18,000+ subscribers on our YouTube Channel, Chase the Story, for weekly video updates. I’m having a lot of fun reliving this journey we’re on through the films we make.

And if you don’t already follow the story of Cheeky Monkey sailing around the world on my other media, here’s where you can find me:

Instagram: @turftosurf

Turf to Surf Facebook

Twitter: @turftosurf

Chase the Story Facebook

Thanks again, everyone, for reading, watching, following and supporting this little dream of ours.

Love,

Tasha

16 Comments... Read them below or add one of your own
  • Kevin February 18, 2016, 11:19 am

    Tasha,

    Great post! I hope the outfitter finally steps up and finishes their commitment to you both. My wife and I LOVE your videos of your adventures. We really look forward to them. They are well produced and edited. Great sense of humor! Curious what software you use to do your videos … And camera besides the GoPro? The 5 things to watch out for when buying a new boat is great information. I also really enjoy reading your written musings, keep up the good work and thank you for “putting yourselves out there” for us all to follow along on your adventures.

    We are looking to embark on a similar adventure in the next few years, after selling our business. I am curious what type of business’ you two owned prior to getting out of the rat race?

    Regards,

    Kevin

  • Chris F May 22, 2016, 6:26 am

    As a not yet boat person looking to become a boat person the expectation that your half million dollar purchase is expected to have all sorts of faults and deficiencies is mind blowing. I am like you in the way that I’ll spend more to get it better or faster if it makes sense to. It is going to take me a bit to reconcile that the “you get what you pay for” doesn’t apply here. (Or maybe it still does, but only up to 80%) 😉

    That being said, all the reading I have done (blogs, cruisers forums, etc.) is consistent on this. I am preparing myself mentally to handle it when the time comes. 😃

    Thank you for the offer to reach out for more information on your experience – the new FP 40 is the top of the list for me and I hope to get on one this summer to make that final decision. If that is the route I go I’ll take you up on that – would love and appreciate the first hand experience with FP.

    I start my week long liveaboard course today (I have only sailed dinghies in the past) and you, your blog and your crew are a huge part of the inspiration for me to do that. Thank you 🙂

  • Roger May 22, 2016, 1:40 pm

    Great post Tasha & Ryan from Cheeky Monkey. Very informative and helpful! I love your Youtube Videos.

  • Luca May 23, 2016, 9:36 am

    Thanks for your blog post, super informative. Quick question, your outfitter was not one starting with U and ending with ata right? i have only read excellent reviews about them… many thanks

    • Tasha May 23, 2016, 1:44 pm

      Yes, yes it was. Owner’s name is Pierre…he’s the one that wrote the threatening emails. And we also got a good review for them from David and Amy of Out Chasing Stars, but we later realized that they had very little work done in France on their boat — they sailed to Florida and did all the electric work on their boat in Miami. For electronics installments, I certainly wouldn’t recommend our outfitters. They did some excellent carpentry work, however. And they have one guy working for them named DJ who is great — very professional and knows what he’s doing. The guys we had on board installing the electronics, though…they had no idea what they were doing. And we have been paying the price for it ever since. Almost every cable that was run to our instruments was a problem — the wrong gauge, or the compass was in the wrong place, etc. Almost everything had to be completely replaced by other companies further down the line (at our expense) to get them working again.

  • Muir Paterson June 7, 2016, 5:36 am

    Tasha, I didn’t know all the trouble you have had were from components installed by a secondary company. I have posted comments that have not been kind to your boat builder I will try to delete them if I can. The only boats I ever bought new were Hobie cats and the only problem I had was that the hulls on the first one was that the hulls cracked and basically sunk. It was replaced with no problem and they gave me one that was all tricked out. I have had it since 1979 and it still looks like new. I haven’t sailed it in many years since I have a large group of friends that have large sailboats and always need a crew. Cruising has come a long way since I learned to sail as we were taught how to navigate using a sextant and paper charts.
    I enjoy your youtube channel I am surprised you don’t have more subscribers as you are in my top 5 of all the channels I subscribe to. I enjoy the different things that you do along the way in your travels, I must agree with Ryan that someone was out to kill or mam him on the horseback riding episode.
    Take care.
    Muir Paterson

    • Tasha June 14, 2016, 5:42 pm

      Hi there, Muir!

      Thanks so much for your comments on the Chase the Story channel and now here! Yeah, it’s easy to assume the boat manufacturer is responsible for all, but there are so many companies involved in the boat building. We have loved working with FP and I know I’ve heard many complaints from Lagoon owners about Lagoon’s terrible warranty response, so we were glad to discover that FP are working hard to do right by their customers.

      I think my first-ever sailing experience was on a Hobie cat! Ryan wanted to impress me when we first met by taking me out on a date on a Hobie cat and then he flipped it over and we had to be rescued because we couldn’t get it right side up again, lol.

      I agree, it’s amazing the effect technological advances have had on the ease of cruising. When we first started, we had paper charts only and spent a lot of time tracking how many times a light flashed on a buoy to work out where we were.

      And thank you so much for the compliments on our YouTube channel! We haven’t been going very long — about 8 months now — unlike Delos and Vagabonde who have had their channels for many years now. We’re very proud of how our video skills are progressing though and we have a lot of fun making them! Although sometimes I do need a destination break with NO CAMERAS :-). Sometimes it’s just nice to enjoy your surroundings without having to worry about documenting everything :-).

      Thanks so much for all your comments and feedback. And I’m glad you’ve found me over here on the blog!

      Tasha

  • The Devil Corp June 16, 2016, 1:44 am

    Good site.

    • Dotty July 18, 2016, 3:21 am

      Holy Todoel, so glad I clicked on this site first!

  • Tim August 24, 2016, 2:48 am

    Hi

    In the US is the broker the equivalent of the dealer for FP. Do you have to have a broker or can you go direct to the national distributer or even direct to FP?
    In the UK for a new boat you would go to a dealer for a big selling brand to the national distributer or the more specialist boats.

    Is your sales contract with the FP and the post fit yards or the broker. In the UK that would play a part in deciding who was legally responsible for the quality of the boat and its equipment.

    • Tasha August 30, 2016, 4:05 pm

      Hi Tim,
      You can only buy an FP boat through a broker — they do not sell direct. I’m not sure how it works in the UK but our factory warranties were with FP and the post-fit contract was with the broker for most of it (as he hired the post factory outfitter) and then the individual items we bought directly from the outfitter were contracted with outfitter directly.

      As for legality, there’s nothing much we can do about the work that the outfitter screwed up — the best we could do was use our broker to pressure him because, ultimately, the broker handles a large amount of business with the outfitter whereas we’re just one small customer. That worked for getting us our dinghy registration papers, but it took several months and many headaches and emails to our broker and the outfitter trying to make it happen. The broker didn’t want to know until, basically, it came down to threats (like the email our outfitter responded with). Then he got involved.

      If I could have bought directly with FP, I sure as hell would have because they’ve been the most responsive of the 3 companies we’ve worked with.

      Tasha

  • Doug August 30, 2016, 10:51 am

    Tasha, thank you for the post, this certainly gives me a number of things to consider. Especially since we are looking at using the same broker you and Ryan used. I have heeded your advice and will continue to do plenty of research, write you a succinct email with questions and get additional input on “Cruisers Forum”.

    Again thanks for sharing your insight and experiences.

    • Tasha August 30, 2016, 3:52 pm

      Hey Doug,
      Glad you found it useful…have you already signed on with Caribbean Multihulls? You should send me an email — I’d be happy to give you some direct advice :-).

      Tasha

  • Steve Taylor November 21, 2016, 11:03 pm

    Hi Tasha, love all the info and the videos. Just signed up on Patreon to support u guys. We r buying a 44 thru Atlantic Cruising Yachts. We r looking at all the options, seeing a lot of price markups by our outfitter. So we r having to scale back, get our needs vs wants, then install wants list later. I’m still looking for an engine lift like yours, and the paddle board holder. Do you have the plans?
    Also, what would it take to get my wife to join you guys and gals on a short sailing adventure for a week or two? I work for an airline, so she can fly anywhere to meet you guys. This would just be to learn the layout, the ropes, etc. Had to ask. Take care and thanks for sharing your adventures!!

    • Tasha November 28, 2016, 1:28 pm

      Hi Steve!
      Wow — thank you so much! We really really appreciate your support! And how exciting that you are buying a Helia — you’re going to love it! Good question about the engine lift and paddle board holder — both of those are custom made. We don’t have plans for them — they were kind of built and tweaked on the go with a guy in Menorca. He did a great job, but it was very much a design-on-the-fly job.

      A sailing adventure on board with the ladies in your life sounds like great fun! We are off the boat for the moment, but we will be getting back to the boat in the Spring — when are you getting your new boat? We’ll keep you posted when we’re looking for people to join us!

      Tasha

  • Nic December 19, 2016, 5:07 pm

    Hello from miserable Seattle, WA.
    When will we see new YouTube videos?

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